druga koverta za dv 2010

[amilio]

Prvobitno poslao korisnik Zabica

Hmm ja cuh pricu da kad uzmes drzavljanstvo, placas njima porez dozivotno, pa makar ziveo na Marsu Jel to tacno?

A pregled...sprdnja ljudi, ma dajte. Ispipala nas ona zenska za 2 min (i to nimalo prijatno ako ste to pomislili, sram vas bilo)

Vi ste jos tu?

Mi smo uzeli karte za 28.4. za LA.

Sitno brojim, nemogu da stojim ...

[dare_ns]

Prvobitno poslao korisnik Zabica

Hmm ja cuh pricu da kad uzmes drzavljanstvo, placas njima porez dozivotno, pa makar ziveo na Marsu Jel to tacno?

pa i da ne uzmeš državljanstvo, opet ćeš plaćati porez, zato što radiš. A valjda nećeš na crno sa GC
Koliko sam shvatio, ima tu par stvari koje su dobre i par loših, ali u biti je, po meni, pametno ako već možeš da uzmeš US državljanstvo.

evo citat sa jednog sajta.

Determining Whether You Really Want to Become a U.S. Citizen

Becoming a U.S. citizen carries important duties and responsibilities, as well as rights, rewards, and privileges. Before you make the decision to pursue U.S. citizenship, you need to be aware of what you stand to lose and what you stand to gain and be sure you're ready to fulfill all the obligations of a good citizen.

Naturalization refers to the process by which immigrants become citizens. In most cases, if you were not born in the United States, you must be naturalized to become a U.S. citizen.

What you lose

When you become a U.S. citizen, you must give up all prior allegiances to other countries. Although nobody will care if you root for your birth country in a soccer match (actually, some soccer fans may care, but the U.S. government certainly won't), you won't be able to defend that country against the United States in times of conflict or war. You must also be willing to serve your new country, the United States of America, when required. What this means is that if the U.S. is at war or in the midst of some other type of crisis, you need to be willing to take up arms for the U.S. or otherwise aid the military effort in whatever capacity is needed.

Giving up your allegiances to other countries doesn't necessarily mean you have to give up your citizenship in other countries. You may be able to maintain your original citizenship(s) and hold U.S. citizenship (having citizenship in more than one country is known as dual citizenship). The United States allows dual citizenship (though it is disfavored). Some countries do not allow dual citizenship. If you are a citizen of such a country, you will likely give up your citizenship upon naturalizing to U.S. citizenship. This information may affect your decision to apply for U.S. citizenship. To find out if your citizenship can be affected, check with the embassy of each country in which you have citizenship.

What you gain

The United States Constitution, the country's most important document and essentially the rulebook for how the U.S. government runs, guarantees all people living in the United States, whether U.S. citizens or not, certain rights. Freedom of religion and speech, the right to peaceable assembly, and the right to a fair trial if you're ever accused of a crime are all important freedoms guaranteed to everyone in the United States.

U.S. citizens, both born and naturalized, however, are eligible for many additional benefits based on their status as U.S. citizens. These include the following:

* The right to vote and, therefore, to have a voice in government

* The right to hold elected office (except for the offices of President and Vice President, which are reserved for natural-born citizens)

* Certain government jobs

* Public education

* Scholarships

* Grants

* The ability to petition for immediate relatives to join you in the U.S. without being subject to visa limits

* Protection from forced removal from the country

* Certain types of public assistance

Your rights and responsibilities as a U.S. citizen

When you become a naturalized U.S. citizen, you must take the Oath of Allegiance. The Oath of Allegiance is your promise to the government and the people of the United States that you will

* Support and defend the Constitution and the laws of the United States against all enemies.

* Support, defend, and obey the laws of the United States.

* Swear allegiance to the United States.

* Serve the United States, if required, in times of war or national emergency. You may be called to serve in the military or help U.S. military efforts in some capacity.

* Give up any prior allegiances to other countries.

In addition to the responsibilities outlined in the Oath of Allegiance, U.S. citizens have other important duties:

* Serving on a jury: One of the most important rights in the U.S. is the right to a trial by a jury in most cases. Serving on a jury when asked is an important obligation of U.S. citizens in order to protect the U.S. system of justice, in which the power still rests with the people.

Although there is a small chance you may never be called to report for jury duty, know that if you do receive a notice to report, you're legally compelled to do so. Failure to report for jury duty can result in a fine, jail time, or both.

* Voting: The United States has a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. The ultimate political authority is not in the hands of the government or of any single government official — instead, the ultimate political authority is in the hands of the people. Citizens of the United States have the right to change or abolish the government or to amend the Constitution. U.S. citizens exercise their power by voting for elected representatives.

* Being tolerant of others: The U.S. is a melting pot, a combination of many different cultures and ethnic races. People living here need to be tolerant of all races, religions, and cultures.

Although you aren't legally compelled to perform some of these duties — for instance, no one will take you to jail if you don't exercise your right to vote — you will deprive yourself of the important benefits of living in the United States if you don't participate.

[Zabica]

Prvobitno poslao korisnik dreadnot

Ne znam, meni nije bilo neprijatno, mozda je tebe stipkala a nas pipkala??? :-)))

Hmm pitacu muza za to pipkanje, sunce li mu...

Prvobitno poslao korisnik amilio

Vi ste jos tu?

Mi smo uzeli karte za 28.4. za LA.

Sitno brojim, nemogu da stojim ...

Zar i ti sine Brute?! To pitanje sam VEC cula!
Pretekli ste nas, mi smo uzeli za 12.05 Cujemo se ovih dana!

Prvobitno poslao korisnik dare_ns

pa i da ne uzmeš državljanstvo, opet ćeš plaćati porez, zato što radiš. A valjda nećeš na crno sa GC

Nije to sporno, nego je bilo reci o nezivljenju u US a uzimanju drzavljanstva. Pa u toj varijanti placas porez tamo gde zivis i radis, a placas i Americi jer imas drzavljanstvo Ili je to tako mali Mikica razumeo...

[lenhi]

Sve je u životu na neki način rizik pa i to državljanstvo! Možda taj porez nije u visini kao da si non-stop tamo. Ipak neko će se možda vratiti nazad a zbog djece uzeti državljanstvo.
Ne treba shvatiti neozbiljno i mogućnost i faktor rizika oružanih sukoba na YU prostoru. U siromaštvu šta preostaje narodu nego da ga ponovo potpale i odvedu u rat. Kad imaš US pasoš ti letiš, samo biraš aerodrom sa kog ćeš krenuti, a ako nemaš okačiše braća pušku na rame i uvališe cijelu porodicu u strah i siromaštvo! Ja u Bosni znam kako je kad ludilo krene. Gubi se zdrav razum među narodom, a bez alternative u životu si gotov! Pojedoše te dok kažeš keks! Naročito ako još imaš djecu a nemoćan si i polako pucaš psihički!

[pekka]

Mislim da bar na ovom forumu treba da preovladjuje optimizam, te da se ne evociraju ruzne uspomene iz bliske proslosti. Svi koji su se prijavili na forum i aktivno ucestvuju u komunikaciji treba da budu opravdano optimisticni jer svi imaju podjednaku sansu da budu izvuceni na DV lutriji. Samo prijavljivanje na DV lutriju nosi veliku dozu optimizma. To je dokaz da onaj koji se prijavljuje veruje u bolju buducnost, samo u ovom slucaju daleko od kuce.

[abdulazizsarajevo]

u pravu si..to je razlog iz kojeg bi i ja isao iz ove zemlje..bosna je prekrasna ali budale u njoj zive..

[lenhi]

Prvobitno poslao korisnik pekka

Mislim da bar na ovom forumu treba da preovladjuje optimizam, te da se ne evociraju ruzne uspomene iz bliske proslosti. Svi koji su se prijavili na forum i aktivno ucestvuju u komunikaciji treba da budu opravdano optimisticni jer svi imaju podjednaku sansu da budu izvuceni na DV lutriji. Samo prijavljivanje na DV lutriju nosi veliku dozu optimizma. To je dokaz da onaj koji se prijavljuje veruje u bolju buducnost, samo u ovom slucaju daleko od kuce.

Nemam nikakve namjere bilo šta oživljavati, samo hoću da kažem kad dođe do ludila viza ili US pasoš se ne mogu kupiti tj. nemaju cijenu, pa i ta cijena poreza u US je nula, ako će to nekom spasiti budućnost i život.
Da nema volje ne bih se 6. put prijavio ove godine. Naprotiv sad imam još više volje da idem zbog djece jer ih prije 6 godina nisam imao, a i meni se još živi tek mi je 30 godina.
Samo naprijed u budućnost nego šta! Živjeli

[Zabica]

Ma koji Balkan ljudi, ja to naglas razmisljam ako se iz Amerike odvazimo put N.Zelanda Balkan je davno precrtan, nazalost.

[imarkovic]

Zabice, i mi idemo 12.05. Mozda se vidimo na aerodromu.

[Zabica]

Prvobitno poslao korisnik imarkovic

Zabice, i mi idemo 12.05. Mozda se vidimo na aerodromu.

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